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Jordan's queen addresses the U.S. assemblage protests
The pursuing is simply a transcript of an interrogation with Queen Rania al Abdullah of Jordan that aired connected May 5, 2024.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Your Majesty, convey you for making clip for us.
QUEEN RANIA AL ABDULLAH: Thank you. It's a pleasance to beryllium here.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Jordan has 2 tract hospitals wrong of Gaza, Jordan is helping to get assistance into the Strip. The UN estimates that astatine slightest 15,000 children person been killed since this warfare began successful October. What is the interaction successful the region?
QUEEN RANIA: Well, look, archetypal of all, Gaza successful the past 7 months has go unrecognizable. Cities person turned into a wasteland. Growing blessed children person been reduced to tegument and bone. 2.3 cardinal radical successful a short, successful a tiny country person been going done hellhole each azygous day. 1.7 cardinal of them person been displaced, and not conscionable 1 immoderate of them respective times. And they're presently surviving successful conditions that are unimaginable, successful makeshift shelters, successful tents connected the street. A UNICEF was proceeding from teenage girls saying that they would alternatively beryllium killed than unrecorded nether these conditions. And truthful galore person been killed, astir 35,000 People 70% of them women and children. As you mentioned, astir 15,000 Children, Gaza has the highest, unfortunately, sadly, the highest cohort of kid amputees. And each mates of days, we're losing children to starvation. We successful the Arab satellite person been seeing this warfare unrecorded streamed each azygous day, and it has go cardinal to our lives. And it's been rather devastating. And the interaction has been obviously, radical are truthful traumatized by what they're seeing each day, we were traumatized by October 7, but past this war, we consciousness is not, you know, Israel is saying that this was a antiaircraft war. Obviously, it was instigated by October 7, but the mode it's being fought is not successful a antiaircraft way. You know, 60% of homes person been destroyed. 80% of schools and wellness attraction centers person been destroyed. Are we to judge that they were Hamas operatives and each 1 of those? You know, truthful so, you know, the- the interaction has been very, precise large connected us. And I deliberation people, I'm not definite if your viewers cognize this, but radical presumption the U.S. arsenic being a enactment to this war. Because, you know, Israeli officials accidental that without US support, they couldn't motorboat this war, you know, you crook disconnected the pat and the weapons adust out. So and truthful determination has been choler successful our portion of the world, not conscionable what- what's happening, but astatine the world's reaction. When we spot these violations, quality rights violations and planetary instrumentality violations, and we're watching the World letting it happen. When October 7th happened, the satellite rightfully condemned and took beardown actions, beardown positions. We are outraged that the aforesaid is not happening erstwhile Palestinians are getting killed. And truthful determination is simply a consciousness of the selective exertion of humanitarian instrumentality and a consciousness of unfairness, a consciousness of our lives don't substance arsenic much. And, you know, this is thing I deliberation that's creating a, surely causing a large nonaccomplishment of credibility to the US, but besides causing america to rethink our, our presumption of the satellite order, you know. As cruel and-and disfigured arsenic the warfare successful Gaza is, the authorities of our rules-based satellite bid is looking exponentially worse. People are looking astatine Gaza arsenic a reflection of the remainder of the satellite where, you know, the rules don't matter, wherever planetary instrumentality doesn't matter, wherever UN resolutions tin beryllium ignored. And I deliberation that sets a very, precise unsafe precedent. Because actions similar these, they're not lone a betrayal for the radical of Gaza, but they're really a betrayal of the safeguards that are meant to support america each safe.
MARGARET BRENNAN: You said radical backmost location spot the United States arsenic complicit successful what's happening?
QUEEN RANIA: They spot it arsenic an enabler, you know. So intelligibly the US is the state that has astir leverage implicit the US- implicit Israel. And similar I said, you know, it is the biggest state and biggest supporter. And the Arab satellite is getting- the remainder of the satellite really is getting mixed messages. On the 1 hand, the US is demanding that much assistance rightfully spell backmost into Gaza. At the aforesaid time, they're- they're denying that the starvation is intentional. On the 1 hand, they are outraged by the attacks connected the assistance convoys. But astatine the aforesaid time, they're denying that Israel is violating planetary humanitarian law. There's an look of interest implicit civilian deaths, but astatine the aforesaid time, there's a proviso of violative weapons to Israel that are utilized against Palestinians. So successful a sense, you know, you- erstwhile you effort truthful hard to thread the needle, you tin hazard dropping the ball, you tin hazard letting your values and principles unravel and, and that has a heavy impact. So for example, adjacent erstwhile the US allowed the UN Security Council solution connected the ceasefire to pass, the adjacent day, determination was an announcement saying that it's not it's not legally binding. UN resolutions are perfectly legally binding. And these ineligible frameworks are determination to guarantee that each countries adhere to standards of conduct. They're either applicable to everyone oregon they're not. Either everyone is accountable oregon nary 1 is. So the adjacent clip a state breaks rules, you know, and the US comes and tries to use much authority, those countries are going to say, well, you made an objection here. So wherefore use it to us? So I deliberation people, you know, we are seeing Israel falling abbreviated of motivation modular aft motivation stand- ineligible modular aft ineligible standard, and the satellite is refusing to act. So I deliberation Gaza present is similar a microcosm of our caller satellite disorder, of the breakdown of planetary norms of the instrumentality of mightiness is right. And I deliberation that's precise dangerous, not conscionable for our region, but for the full world.
MARGARET BRENNAN: You know, precocious President Biden, conscionable astir a period ago, warned Prime Minister Netanyahu that US argumentation would change, if Israel's behaviour and behaviour successful this warfare didn't change. Do you judge the US is starting to usage the leverage you accidental it has?
QUEEN RANIA: Well, look, there's decidedly been a alteration successful code and language. And you're right, the President has been informing and has been trying precise hard to transportation Netanyahu, for example, to not participate Rafah. But we've seen clip and again, Israeli officials, not heeding the warnings oregon counsel oregon proposal of allies. So, I deliberation it's clip that the planetary community, including the US, truly usage this governmental leverage to compel Israel to extremity the warfare and to fto assistance in.
MARGARET BRENNAN: How?
QUEEN RANIA: It's an- it's- by taking measures, right. So again, it's by lasting up for planetary law, saying, for example, the gathering of amerciable settlements is- is wrong. And it has to stop. It's by saying that, you know, we're not going to supply you with violative weapons, it's by saying, we're not going to proceed to usage our veto to not clasp Israel accountable- accountable, erstwhile it breaks the law. Diplomatic unit is besides very, precise important. So determination are galore tools that the US has successful bid to compel Israel to bash the close thing. And I think, for the involvement of our world, the US whitethorn beryllium Israel's most- closest ally, but a bully person holds a person accountable. You don't springiness them a carte blanche erstwhile they're not doing the close thing. And I deliberation it does Israel a large disservice erstwhile we don't clasp it accountable, due to the fact that it creates a civilization of impunity. And that has been the concern for decades, wherever they consciousness that they can, they tin beryllium the objection to each planetary instrumentality and standard. Either you're portion of the planetary community, and you abide by the rules, oregon you're a pariah authorities that's not- that's made an objection to each rule. So, truthful I deliberation that if you attraction astir your ally, you volition really instrumentality enactment to acceptable them- and that volition beryllium for Israel's champion involvement successful the agelong term.
MARGARET BRENNAN: In the opening of this war, you were outspoken astir the humanitarian concerns precise aboriginal on, and you are the Queen of Jordan, but you're besides Palestinian.
QUEEN RANIA: Right.
MARGARET BRENNAN: You argued radical request to recognize that Palestinian mothers emotion their children conscionable arsenic overmuch arsenic Israeli mothers. Why bash you consciousness similar that needed to beryllium said?
QUEEN RANIA: Well, because, you know, for decades, the dehumanization of Palestinians, has been an intentional attack that Israel adopted successful bid to numb radical to Palestinian suffering. You know, it's really rather astonishing to spot conscionable however heavy the undercurrents of dehumanization has run. Israelis person beauteous overmuch you know, Arabs are mostly accused of teaching hate, Palestinians arsenic well. But it's Israelis person really walled Palestinians retired of show and retired of mind, it's benignant of reduced them to nameless, faceless information threats that you person to support yourself against. They don't larn astir Palestinians. They're ne'er introduced to them arsenic existent people. Any attempts to bring Palestinian stories into books are-are barred. So this consciousness of- and we really saw that, you know, among the radical blocking assistance into Palestinians were young teenagers, I can't recognize however anybody could beryllium truthful indifferent to quality suffering.
MARGARET BRENNAN: You're talking present astir immoderate of the protests that are trying to interrupt the shipment of assistance into Gaza?
QUEEN RANIA: I'm talking astir a heavy culture, an omnipresent position astir Palestinians, that says that Palestinians are subhuman, that they are convulsive due to the fact that of thing intrinsic successful them. It's thing successful their nature. It's- it's, it's not due to the fact that determination is unit inflicted connected them. And truthful erstwhile you trim radical to a violent, radical who are antithetic to us, truthful they're not motivation similar us, truthful so it's good to inflict symptom and suffering connected them due to the fact that they don't consciousness it the aforesaid mode we do. It allows radical to bash atrocious things. That's-that's the intelligence loophole of dehumanization, it allows you to warrant the unjustifiable, to bash atrocious things and inactive spot yourself arsenic a bully person. And we're seeing that hap successful the lawsuit of Palestinians, they don't consciousness the Palestinians, that's wherefore I said the mothers emotion their children the aforesaid mode because, you know, it allows you to bash atrocious things and not truly person a motivation dilemma with it. And that's what- what's happening. But you know, dehumanization works some ways. Because erstwhile you suffer your quality to empathize towards the different side, you go hardened yourself, it degrades your own, your ain humanity. And we're seeing this happening successful Israeli nine wherever they're go truthful hardened. And I conscionable privation to impulse radical to- to recognize that this narrative, this propaganda that's been fed this anti-Palestinian racism, that Palestinians bash not privation peace, that Palestinians lone recognize the connection of unit and force, that is incorrect.
MARGARET BRENNAN: To spot Hamas arsenic representing Palestinian people, you're saying, is wrong?
QUEEN RANIA: Absolutely wrong. And also, conscionable to- conscionable to constituent retired that astir of the radical live successful Gaza contiguous were not live erstwhile Hamas was elected. They were either child- they were not born, oregon they were children astatine the time. So absolutely, Hamas does not correspond the bulk of- of Palestinians. And if Palestinians hatred Israelis, it is not due to the fact that of their religion, oregon their identity, it's due to the fact that of the information that they've lone interacted with them arsenic enforcers of a subject state. They person lone known them to their check- checkpoints and bullets and guns. It's not thing that's inherently successful them against Jewish people. In fact, I ever effort to punctual radical that you know, we person coexisted, Christians, Muslims and Jewish people, for the longest time. That's wherever the 3 monotheistic religions were born. And anterior to the commencement of Zionism, the Muslim bulk successful Palestine, lived successful implicit relationship and tolerance with the- with the Jewish minority, determination was ne'er an contented of antisemitism there.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Well, you know, historians volition argue, antisemitism has been contiguous passim history, right. And it is hard for radical to perceive immoderate of what you're saying and not respond successful that way, wherever they perceive a characterization of disapproval of the Israeli authorities oregon the Israeli military, and spot wherever you're separating from Jewish people. A batch of radical don't perceive a difference.
QUEEN RANIA: Antisemitism is perfectly present. And it's- and it's been connected the rise, it's been connected the surge. And it is the worst benignant of bigotry, it is axenic hatred. And I ever accidental that Muslims person to be- person to beryllium astatine the forefront of warring antisemitism, due to the fact that Islamophobia is the different broadside of the aforesaid disease, and it's besides connected the rise. Judaism is simply a religion of peace. It is the archetypal of the 3 monotheistic religions. And arsenic Muslims, you know, we- it was- it was Judaism, Christianity, and Islam. We each judge successful the aforesaid God. And the contented is erstwhile you effort to conflate anti-Israeli argumentation with antisemitism, right. Antisemitism is erstwhile you persecute somebody, oregon you discriminate against idiosyncratic based connected their Jewish identity. Israel is simply a state. It has governmental policy, governmental parties. So you tin knock the State of Israel but that's not needfully antisemitism. So erstwhile radical basal up and talk against the warfare successful Gaza, erstwhile they're talking astir the- talk against the corporate punishment, erstwhile you deprive radical of nutrient arsenic a limb of war, when- erstwhile full populations displaced, erstwhile there's indiscriminate bombing. That is not antisemitism, that is speaking against Israeli policy. And I deliberation it would beryllium incorrect to clasp the Jewish assemblage liable for the actions of the, oregon the policies of, Israel. And galore Jewish radical perfectly cull this- this conflation. They didn't they- they- they privation to support their Jewish individuality and accidental that they- the Jewish religion has existed 3,000 years earlier the commencement of the State of Israel. So it- it predates the State of Israel and- and it's [inaudible] to conflate the spiritual facet with the politics. I don't deliberation it serves anybody and it surely doesn't bring america person to peace.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Well, fto maine inquire you astir that because, you know, determination are protests astatine colleges crossed the United States, present successful New York, different cities, successful solidarity with Palestinians successful Gaza. But determination is besides this cognition among immoderate students that they are unsafe, due to the fact that they are, for example, Jewish students. What bash you deliberation of the protests and are you amazed to spot young Americans protesting similar this?
QUEEN RANIA: First of all, I deliberation it's important to constituent retired that instrumentality and bid are paramount for everybody. And so, it- it is important for students to abide by the rules of the campus, to not disrupt classes, to not disrupt different students exper- assemblage experience. At the aforesaid time, arsenic I said, determination is simply a emergence successful antisemitism, and it's incorrect for immoderate pupil to person to consciousness unsafe connected campus. That being said, we request to- emotions are moving precocious and I deliberation radical are- are losing show of what these- these students are protesting. For them, the contented of Gaza and the Palestinian struggle is much astir societal justice. They are lasting up for quality rights, for planetary law, for the principles that underpin planetary law. They're lasting up for the aboriginal that they're going to inherit. So they're asking their universities to divest from an amerciable occupation. But astatine the aforesaid time, may- possibly much importantly, they are suggesting that determination is much to the communicative than we person been told. That determination is that the communicative that we person been fed that- that- that Israel is the unfortunate and the Palestinians are- are convulsive radical who merit what's happening to them. That- that is not the full story.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Why bash you deliberation that's happening connected assemblage campuses? Why bash you deliberation young radical consciousness this way?
QUEEN RANIA: Well, actually, it's a batch of radical consciousness this way. But assemblage campuses person ever been the tract of- of activism. You know, young students are learning astir these issues astatine that age. You privation to basal up, you're much idealistic, you privation to basal up for values you judge in. You're- you're outraged when- erstwhile things are not going right, when- when- erstwhile what you're taught, and what you judge should beryllium the close happening isn't happening. And truthful they're expressing their views. But I deliberation to- to overgarment each these students and each these protests successful a- successful a wide paintbrush and to vilify them arsenic being, you know, pro-Hamas oregon pro-terrorism oregon antisemitic, I deliberation that's inaccurate. And I deliberation it's- it's somewhat patronizing to immoderate of these students, due to the fact that a batch of radical were saying, well, you know, "They don't adjacent cognize what they're protesting, they're conscionable protesting for the involvement of it." A batch of them are good read, thoughtful young individuals who cognize precisely what they're protesting. They are protesting for justice. And--
MARGARET BRENNAN: --Do you deliberation it volition alteration US overseas policy?
QUEEN RANIA: Well, I- I- I don't- I don't cognize if it volition alteration US overseas policy. It's surely a grassroots question and an ex- look of a procreation that consciousness that determination is simply a contradiction betwixt the values and principles that they were taught that this state stands for and what's really happening connected the ground. And, again, let's not hide that determination are a important fig of Jewish students who are progressive successful these protests. And the immense bulk of these protests privation to beryllium peaceful, they don't privation to beryllium destructive. And I deliberation the astir important happening is to person genuine engagement with- with- with the students, to person an unfastened statement to perceive from them and- and explicate to them. I mean, a batch of times they're saying, "Well, these kids, you request education." I deliberation we request to spell into this knowing that we request acquisition arsenic well. So it's a springiness and take. And we saw an illustration successful Brown University, wherever that benignant of steadfast statement ended up, you know, benignant of calming things down and wherever it was a win-win situation. So the much you usage force, I deliberation the much that inflames the situation.
MARGARET BRENNAN: How are young radical successful Jordan reasoning astir this close now? I mean, what is the sentiment successful presumption of the American unconditional enactment for the authorities of Israel?
QUEEN RANIA: I person to say, successful 1 word, there's outrage, you know. There is outrage, because, you know, for astir young people, adjacent those who possibly were against American overseas policy, oregon immoderate disagreed with it, we ever looked up to the US, you know, arsenic a state of a antiauthoritarian country, with antiauthoritarian values, with exertion of instrumentality with state of speech, with, you know, quality rights, etc. And, arsenic I said, you know, the young radical are present feeling highly disillusioned, however tin this beryllium happening, portion the US is allowing it to happen, portion the remainder of the satellite is- is allowing it to happen? Blatant disregard for planetary law, and- and- and just, you know, erstwhile the US- when- erstwhile Israel says, you know, that we are not targeting civilians and past you look astatine the world connected the crushed that we're seeing with our ain 2 eyes, and we're seeing and by the admittance of immoderate Israeli quality sources, they were saying that they often attacked their targets astatine nighttime successful their homes, with their families, which has led to the deaths of thousands of women and children. We person seen wild- wide dispersed reports astir Israel utilizing AI systems to make the largest fig of targets, prioritizing quantity implicit quality. And so- the- truly by taking humanity retired of the equation, successful their calculus, it's good to flatten the full vicinity oregon termination the full household to get 1 target. And truthful the full rule of proportionality and favoritism between- betwixt civilians and combatants has been abandoned successful this war. And, you know, when- erstwhile Israelis are telling us, you know, "They're dying due to the fact that Hamas is utilizing them arsenic quality shields." Well, you know, you person a spot like- similar Gaza, which is 1 of the astir densely populated places successful the world, being deed by an unprecedented fig of dumb bombs, which are untargeted, unguided bombs, oregon monolithic bombs, which are the 2000-pound bombs. To enactment successful perspective, successful warring ISIS, the US lone utilized 1 specified bomb, due to the fact that it's known that it has a precise precocious hazard of sidesplitting civilians. So you deed the astir densely populated spot connected world with an unprecedented fig of unguided bombs, and wide of bombs, and we are expected to judge that Israel is trying to debar sidesplitting civilians? It conscionable doesn't- it doesn't adhd up.
MARGARET BRENNAN: You've had protests successful Jordan--
QUEEN RANIA: --Yes.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Outside embassies and alike. Amnesty International says Jordanian information arrested astatine slightest 1,500 radical for protesting. Why? Are you acrophobic determination is simply a menace to the stableness of Jordan?
QUEEN RANIA: Not astatine all. I- we know, since the opening of this war, we've had thousands of radical spell out, I deliberation we've had astir 1700 demonstrations of radical going out, advocating, and- and lasting retired successful solidarity with the Palestinian people. And you know, astatine the extremity of the day, Jordan- and astir of these demonstrations person been friction-free with the police. And, but- the end- extremity of the day, Jordan is simply a state of instrumentality and order. So arsenic agelong arsenic radical abide- are abiding by the law, arsenic I said, with the demonstrations here, past they are escaped to protest. It's lone erstwhile we spot vandalism oregon attacks connected nationalist and backstage property, that the information forces evidently person work to travel in, to measurement in. But, again, Jordan has been astir apt astatine the forefront of countries that person stood up and spoken openly about, successful defence of, what's happening, and, you know, successful defence of Palestinians, and that's not conscionable the leadership, but that's besides the radical themselves, the people, the authorities and the leadership. So we're- we're connected the aforesaid leafage connected this.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Well, the Director of National Intelligence successful this country, Avril Haines, testified, saying determination volition beryllium a generational interaction from the warfare successful Gaza. And that was besides a motion to panic recruitment. How acrophobic are you that that is what whitethorn hap to immoderate of these young people, who you accidental are conscionable inundated with images of what's happening?
QUEEN RANIA: You know, similar I said, it's- it's not conscionable the radical who are connected the utmost that- that are being enraged by this. It's radical who are successful the mediate arsenic well, radical who are westernized, radical who studied here, radical who- who are abruptly conscionable looking astatine the satellite and saying, you know, they're truthful the solution. They're saying, you know, intelligibly determination are antithetic standards, that humanitarian instrumentality is applied selectively, and that our lives don't matter. And that it's good for- for, you know, astir 15,000 children to beryllium killed, 19,000 to beryllium orphaned. It's good for- for, you know, the infrastructure to beryllium obliterated. It's good to use- to halt the transportation of assistance and nutrient to an full population. That is corporate punishment. It's a warfare crime, and it's happening. And so, the young radical are saying, you know, I conjecture the West doesn't similar us. So- so, successful my opinion, this is astir apt 1 of the astir radical, large- sorry, largest recruitment lawsuit that we've seen successful caller history. Because it's turned a batch of radical away. And it's making radical consciousness similar there's conscionable nary justness successful this world. And that is simply a precise unsafe spot to be.
MARGARET BRENNAN: That is- what you are describing is what Defense Secretary Austin warned Israel about, that you could person a tactical triumph and a strategical nonaccomplishment successful the agelong term. That's what I perceive you saying, that this volition pb to much panic recruitment?
QUEEN RANIA: Absolutely. And I- again, I bash not request to inquire ourselves this- the elemental question, is this warfare making Israel safer? Is it making our satellite safer? You know, I would argue, aft 35,000 radical dead, aft the obliteration of the civilian infrastructure, in- successful Gaza, aft the violations of truthful much, aft the rhetoric that we're hearing, you know, from Israeli officials, calling Palestinians quality animals, oregon saying, erstwhile the Prime Minister says that Palestinians are children of darkness, that they lone recognize the rules of the jungle, you know? When officials accidental we request to find a much effectual mode than decease to inflict suffering connected Palestinians. How is that making Israel safer? I mean, you know, how? This is- we request to create- bid is not astir authorities only, it's astir people. It's astir culture, it's astir authorities of mind. It's astir choosing tolerance implicit suspicion, it's astir choosing compromise and reconciliation implicit the mendacious committedness of victory. And the authorities wrong of Israel has shifted truthful acold to the close that it's go acceptable. Israelis are amazed erstwhile the connection genocide is used, due to the fact that they cannot spot Palestinians arsenic thing but arsenic a information threat, that they merit what's happening to them.You know, successful a poll--
MARGARET BRENNAN: They're traumatized aft October 7, galore Israelis.
QUEEN RANIA: Absolutely traumatized, I recognize that. And I recognize that, due to the fact that of my ain background, that I would place with the Palestinian broadside more, and I- due to the fact that of that, I situation myself each azygous time to enactment myself successful the shoes of an Israeli mother, who is- who has a kid that's been taken arsenic hostage, or- oregon immoderate young Israeli who has been taught and who's heard of the horrible persecution that the Jewish radical had to endure successful Europe. And- and I tried to empathize and spot wherever they're coming from. And absolutely, you know, we request the hostages to spell location arsenic soon arsenic possible. And we request the warfare to extremity arsenic soon arsenic imaginable truthful that Palestinians tin spell backmost to their homes, if they person homes left. So, I recognize that- that what happened connected October 7 was traumatic and devastating for Israeli society. But the absorption to it has not helped the situation. You cannot conscionable trust connected your- this visceral absorption of retribution and revenge. Because past you're just- you know, you're conscionable going into the rhythm of unit and conscionable digging deeper successful it, and it's conscionable going to support getting worse. The- Israel could person retaliated done surgical strikes against Hamas. But that's not what we're seeing today. You know, we are seeing a warfare that is not fought successful a antiaircraft way.
MARGARET BRENNAN: When you were astatine the White House successful February, President Biden mentioned that your husband, King Abdullah, and 2 of your children had participated successful airdrops successful Gaza. But you've referred to the airdrops arsenic "just drops successful an ocean". What is needed astatine this constituent to reverse the famine successful North Gaza?
QUEEN RANIA: Right, so- truthful you know, those airdrops were conscionable acts of desperation. And my hubby said from time one, they are inefficient, they're costly, and they bash not statesman to conscionable the needs of the radical of Gaza. But successful our calculus, it was thing is amended than nothing, right? And, you know, the hunger figures successful the Gaza are unprecedented. Every azygous idiosyncratic successful Gaza is hungry, a 4th of the colonisation is starving. And erstwhile we saw that devastating onslaught connected the World Central Kitchens, determination was a batch of unit connected Israel to let much nutrient and assistance into Gaza. There's been a flimsy uptick. But really, astatine the extremity of the day, there's- they're not adjacent adjacent to gathering the needs of--
MARGARET BRENNAN: Well, who could administer that? If- if the warfare ended, even, would Jordan beryllium capable to travel successful and assistance with reconstruction?
QUEEN RANIA: So this is- so- so- truthful this is the thing, you know, I deliberation what that onslaught did, for example, was halt aid, marque tons of agencies suspend their operations due to the fact that they didn't consciousness harmless moving successful Gaza. And this aft Israel has- has- has bombed angiosperm fields, cultivation land, sportfishing boats, fundamentally decimating Gaza's quality to provender itself, not conscionable today, but for years to come. And truthful what is required is simply a imperishable ceasefire that allows the hostages to spell backmost location and radical to spell backmost to their homes. We request to enactment unit connected Israel to unfastened each entree points. And the onshore entree is the astir businesslike mode to present assistance at- astatine scale. We conscionable streamline the vetting process which present is truthful analyzable and arbitrary. And- and you know, they could find 1 happening successful a motortruck that they're- don't approve, and the full motortruck has to spell back. And- and the past happening is that we request to let assistance workers harmless entree wrong Gaza, truthful that they tin really present the assistance to the radical that request it. But if we bash not flood Gaza with assistance soon past we are going to beryllium facing a wide famine. And I don't cognize however the satellite conscionable is blessed doing that. It's just- it's- it's a large stain connected our planetary consciousness to spot this happening successful dilatory motion, and not bash thing astir it.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Jordan has had a bid pact with Israel since 1994. If Israel goes into confederate Gaza into Rafa, arsenic the Prime Minister says helium intends to do, volition bid hold?
QUEEN RANIA: As you said, we've had bid with Israel since '94. And Jordan ever honors the commitments that it signs up to successful bid agreements. We volition ever beryllium connected the broadside of bid and diplomacy. But- but diplomacy requires trust, and a batch of that spot has been eroded implicit the years due to the fact that of violations. against radical successful Gaza and the West Bank. And- and due to the fact that of the undermining of the Jordanian custodianship of the Christian and Muslim sites successful Jerusalem, which are portion of this agreement—
MARGARET BRENNAN: What bash you mean by that? What's happened?
QUEEN RANIA: Well, clip and again, you know, we person violations against Christian sites and Muslim sites by Israeli troops who are not allowing radical to spell in, who are arresting people, who are not allowing radical to pray. We're seeing that happening each the time. And truthful this is perpetually undermining the Hashemite relation and custodianship of these beatified sites. And so- truthful determination is an contented with that. And with it comes- erstwhile when it comes to Rafah, the satellite you know, determination are ongoing regular strikes connected Rafah arsenic we speak. But if determination was to beryllium a afloat standard invasion, past you know, the satellite has warned that determination volition beryllium a blood- bloodbath for the elemental crushed that fractional the colonisation of Gaza is present sheltering successful Rafah, we're talking astir 50,000 radical per quadrate mile. And since the opening of this war, determination was- they were pushed systematically, further and further south. Rafah is the extremity of the line, there's obscurity other for them to go, there's lone a six quadrate mile portion of onshore that could- could beryllium considered harmless zone. So they person obscurity to go. And I don't cognize however Israel could spell successful surgically without causing a monolithic fig of civilian deaths. And truthful I deliberation the satellite truly needs to compel Israel not to bash it.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Your Majesty, convey you for your time. I'm being told we are retired of time.
QUEEN RANIA: Thank you.
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